10 comments on “East Of Horndean Development Plans

  1. Why is what you suggest ‘the least worst option?’ Why is 700 more new houses in Horndean/Blendworth not a further encroachment on the ‘gap’ that barely remains with existing development in Havant Road and London Road, and the proposed sites in Blendworth Lane? Why not say 350 houses at White Dirt Farm and 350 at Hazelton Farm? And once again, are these houses for local people or just more buy to let opportunities?

    • Hi Janet, thank you for the comment.

      The least worst option. There is no ‘good’ place to build 700 new homes. Any large development will need to build on open space, and around here this means farm land. The land at Hazleton and Pyle is relatively flat, so the landscape issues are the lowest impact on our communities, the development sits next to a motorway junction so of all the options would put the minimum traffic through the villages, and by locating a cricket and football pitch to the land East of Rowlands Castle road, this protects this from development permanently.

      A strategic gap separates distinct communities so that villages do not blend in together. If the Proposals on Blendworth Lane were approved, and a scheme like this too then there is still a large amount of open fields between the two. This includes the archery field, but if you have residual concerns here then do bring them up at the consultation, and on here too.

      Why not build 350 at WDF. The land at White Dirt Farm is strategic gap land to stop Catherington, Horndean and Clanfield from merging. The impact on the landscape from building on it will be enormous and very damaging. WDF in theory could accommodate about 220 homes but being on a slope would not sustain games fields, and is too small to put in any worthwhile community facility. By building the homes in one lot the opportunity for good facilities becomes much greater.

      Homes for local people? The development would have 40% affordable housing. We need at the consultation to give views on if these need to be 1) rented social housing, 2) shared ownership, 3) first time buyer, 4) down sized accommodation for the elderly with special needs. I have strong views which get me in trouble but believe if someone owns a part of the property, they look after it better. For me, 2,3&4 are the ones that are important to us. The remaining 60% is of course open market housing.

      I hope that answers the questions,


  2. Delighted to see care home and supported homes on the plans, sensibly allowing elderly people alternative to living in homes too big for their current needs and freeing those houses up for families. As a cautionary note, it was made clear at the EHDC Community Forum last week that even if this development were to go ahead, it doesn’t mean White Dirt Farm will be ‘safe’. If the plans meet the sustainable development criteria laid down by NPPF the planning team will have no grounds to refuse permission. It was confirmed that 700 is a minimum, there is no maximum…..

    • Hi Jan, thank you for the post, and this is right, and worth expanding on.

      Planning is a balance of Economic, Environment and Social needs.

      If a development like Hazleton, Pyle Farm were not an option then the WDF developer could use the lack of other options as a strong reason to override the objections to the site. in effect the social need would be very high and the environmental damage an unfortunate, but maybe acceptable loss.

      Because of timing, many of the applications we know of will be considered entirely on their own merits because the housing need is not being satisfied. This includes WDF, Lovedean Lane, Blendworth Lane and others.

      If WDF is refused (what we, the community are looking for) then Taylor Wimpey will most certainly appeal. We need some approvals for housing we can live with to be granted before this appeal so that we achieve the 5 year plan, can rely on the strategic gap policy. If we then satisfy the need for housing (social) then the bar for environmental gets higher as the social need is lower. This application for the land East of Horndean could be the answer to this.

      Once we have our identified housing ahead, we are still vulnerable as you say to an application that takes us over the 700 if the application is sustainable ( balance of social, economic and environment) but with Social being satisfied, again the bar on Environment gets higher.

      I hope that makes sense!


  3. If there is a choice to be made, then I opt for the Hazleton/Pyle Farm option.
    But nothing can detract from the strongly felt loss of countryside, especially trees and wildlife, which are given very little importance, in my opinion..

    From what I have read, it is not a ‘done deal’ that if Hazleton/Pyle gets permission to build, that WDF will not be developed. When, if ever, will Horndean get back on ‘Plan’? (Seeing as we missed the deadline for the last one.)

    I note that you mention several reasons why it is necessary to build more and more homes, but surely our population has increased as well? And what about the numbers of young adults who stay at parental homes until they’re in their ’30’s? I suppose I am questioning the numbers of homes specifically required for Horndean. 700 (minimum) seems extortionate.

    • Hi Wendy, I fully agree about the loss of open space, farmland, woodland etc, but while our population grows there is little alternative. as you note people in their 30’s are still unable to buy first homes due to market conditions. with so little housing built in the last 6 years it seems it is now time to catch up.

      You are correct that building on Hazleton Farm will not guarantee protection for WDF, but it will go a long way to doing so in that the justification for building on WDF reduces because they can not say there are no other choices elsewhere.

      Yes, our population has increased. The new homes in Horndean work out at about 70 houses per year. This is a 1.5% increase per year. The UK population grew by 420,000 last year which is a factor of higher birth rates and living longer. In itself this is the main reason for our increased housing need and EHDC are not alone in facing significant increases in house building needs.


  4. How refreshing it is to see a full comprehensive plan that includes all the specifics required by the local people including the school, care home, playing fields etc – this was a strong point made at the last consultation meeting that received a round of applause by all the attendees ( i just hope that these ‘extras’ dont get forgotten !!! ) It is also great to see that all the houses could be spread among the two farms at Hazleton and Pyle farm rather than sqeezed into a smaller plot such as the development at the Gales Brewery site. It seems, so far, that the council are taking interest in the needs of the village rather than ploughing ahead regardless. I appreciate that this is not a ‘done deal’ and obviously it would be better with no building at all, however houses need to be built , so it gets my vote…..

  5. Having lived in blendworth for the last sixty years I have seen a lot change and the need for horndean to grow the proposed development would fit in well and prvide the community with all facilitys they need in one well organised delelopment

  6. With the ongoing increase in traffic accessing Horndean, much of which is being created by the Gales and Havant Road developments, together with the ongoing Clanfield (Green lane) development(s), it is essential, for public safety reasons, that every opportunity be taken to stabilise such traffic increases. We should also not forget that there is a suggestion that another 40 houses could be built in Blendworth! Developing the land East of Horndean would provide easy vehicle access to the motorway (North/South), as well as assisting in the prevention of increased noise and pollution created by high traffic levels in the centre of the village. Building East of Horndean provides benefits that the development of WDF would not offer.

  7. Re: Land East of Horndean Housing Proposals: SINK HOLES

    Will the granting of Planning Permission require the developers to undertake a ground survey to establish the presence of Sink Holes. Horndean is already known for having a number of sinkholes, some of which on Hazelton Common, are said to be dangerous?

    Moreover, since it is virtually impossible to insure against the damage caused by Sink Holes, is there not a moral argument for the Parish/District Council(s) to take the lead, insofar that the Council could procure the services of firms that specialize in this sort of work? Indeed you could argue that such a move would reduce the Council’s Liability in this respect?

    Should this proposal be successful, it will inevitably impose a heavier burden on the Sewage System and since Southern Water cannot operate to an acceptable standard without recourse to ‘dumping’ – ( the practice of dumping tons of raw untreated sewage into the waterways of Hampshire) the additional demand represented by some 1000-2000 people will only make matters worse. In short it’s cheaper to dump than building new facilities!

    Since the area in question is likely to attract further applications to build, would it be an appropriate
    moment to step back and make some proposals that would ensure the area has enough water?

    Not so long ago a development in the Leydene area of East Meon failed to generate the anticipated level of profit, largely because the planners’ made the foolish mistake of building high quality homes on sites that were far too small ! – and that would seem to be the case in point here, i.e. Land East of Horndean. Garden size should be approx.100 feet long plus or minus 20%. Minimum!

    Finally I have one further suggestion to make and that would be provision for a small tea room.
    In the last five years there have been five deaths’ . The ladies in question lived alone and very rarely had contact with neighbors, but looking ahead, the presence of a suitable sized tea rooms ( and coffee) within the planned Community Centre would enhance the quality of life for all those living on this new estate.

    Yours faithfully

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