63 comments on “White Dirt Farm Plans Emerge

  1. Lets hope potential flooding implications are thought through, as previous years have seen serve issues. Where will the water run too due to the site being on a hill !!

    • Hi Vicki. Yes, it does flood sometimes, which can be disruptive. Do you have, or know anyone else who may have, any photos of the flooding? Thank you in advance.

  2. I grew up in Glamorgan Road, Catherington and my parents still live there, the road is off white dirt lane and it is already a dangerous road to pull out from with traffic speeding up the hill, with out adding to the traffic by building more houses! The views from Glamorgan road at the moment are almost perfect from front and back.. This will no longer be the case with houses stuck in the way! Not to mention all the wildlife! If this goes ahead I give it not even 6 months before some one gets hit coming out of Glamorgan road! Or some one walking their dog or children to school!

  3. Having lived opposite this site for 28 years and settled here on the basis that the site was a local gap, I have to say NOT IN MY FRONT YARD. When we moved into Southdown Road it was a dead end and the Wasdale/Eksdale Estate was fields. We now have a very busy village with “Green” Lane no longer all that green, a road that people speed along like it’s a motorway and a village that is just becoming part of a sprawling mass. It’s all well and good offering community facilities but we already have plenty. The site falls within the Catherington Primary School catchment area, a school already full. We keep building these cardboard houses that are crammed into tiny areas with never enough parking for the 4 cars a household has with grown up kids, waffling on about bike racks and bus routes, it’s all fluff. Green this and that, environmental tosh, this is NOTHING more than Taylor Wimpy making a tonne of cash and moving on to the next site. Bribing the council with £2million worth of crap, I’m sick of it. Its all Bull*****.

    • Hi Andrew, I fully agree with everything you have said there, including the greed that the vast sums of money associate with a 200 home development, but can assure you EHDC wants to put housing in the right places, and this is not one of them. Hopefully we can prevent this, but it could take some time and stress for everyone, especially people living in the area. Guy.

  4. I have lived here all my life and realise we need progress but don’t you think Clanfield, Horndean and Catherington have had their fair share of developments. We are practically now one sprawl instead of 3 villages. This extra development will cause more traffic congestion. We do not want more money for bigger schools etc. We want to stay close to the countryside and be able to view wildlife not an urban sprawl. More development will just cause more flooding within the area which is still a problem even after numerous attempts to rectify this. PLEASE stop trying to ruin our already dwindling countryside. We are so close to the South Downs national park we need to keep what countryside we have left to compliment the Park not make it an eyesore. Having Green Lane developed is surely more than enough building in our area. I would also like to know why when numerous houses are built on a plot where 1 house was this is not included in our numbers of houses that are going into the area?

  5. I also have concerns about the amount of development taking place in this area and the effect this will have on traffic volume, local schools and possibly flooding. When areas are covered with concrete and asphalt the rainwater has to run off the land instead of being absorbed by it. The lower part of the site is already often water-logged during periods of heavy rain.

    We have lived in the Francis Road area for 30 years and we would certainly miss the view which we have enjoyed during that time but we honestly believe that the loss of it is far outweighed by the above mentioned points.

  6. This development should not go ahead. Horndean and Clanfield are already overcrowded and overpopulated, leaving schools and GP surgeries unable to cope with the number of families in such a small area.

  7. Thank you for the heads up of this development plan. Although it may seem a logical place to erect 200 houses surrounded as it is on three sides by development it is in fact the wrong place to develop until most of the other SHLAA sites are developed and there is nowhere else to go.
    Transport: Although there is an adequate bus service to Portsmouth the majority of commuters tend to use cars. Looking around Horndean and its locales most houses appear to have two cars. Taking a sensible view this means another 200 cars commuting daily along Southdown Road to Horndean shops, Schools and the motorway. Although the secondary school has capacity neither Horndean Infant or Junior schools do. Logically therefore the children will have to attend Clanfield schools which in themselves may need expansion. The traffic generated at Horndean infant/junior schools and Catherington infant school at start and finish times has to be seen to be believed and this development would put further pressure on roads to these schools. In the event the children attend Clanfield schools the roads to these schools are badly congested at start and finish times.
    Gaps: I appreciate the fact that there are strategic gaps surrounding Horndean, Clanfield and Catherington may be an emotive topic and not necessarily a planning issue. My feeling is that we are distinctive separate area/villages having to a larger or lesser extent an individual identity. Losing gaps becomes emotive as we merge together into a homogenous mass and become less aware of this and less interested in our communities. Whilst I appreciate Horndean itself is not small it still retains a distinctive identity. Taking away the Gaps should be a move of last resort and I do not believe it to be necessary yet.
    Where to then, The SHLAA sites have much more logical areas for development and where houses and infrastructure could be built in sufficient numbers to make a large development on the outskirts of Horndean viable. Hazleton Farm and Pyle Farm are both at convenient link points to Havant Road and the A3. Pyle Farm site is not particularly good Agricultural land and is already adjacent to existing development. Hazleton is a sufficiently large site to warrant infrastructure development for the whole community with sensible road links to most of Horndean. So rather than develop small sites bringing more traffic into existing commuting routes these two areas are preferred.
    Developers Contributions. I regret that I am now of an age where physical leisure activities( not those type Guy) are getting beyond me so I would look forward to a decent hall where films for old folk with Tea and biscuits were available to save me going to Chichester. Now the new crematorium is open that’s quite handy for us in Horndean.
    Affordable Homes I feel quite strongly that the percentage of affordable homes should be maximised even if to some extent that minimises the developers contribution. I know of many youngsters desperate to get on the housing ladder who are renting at a sum greater than the mortgage would be. That cannot be right.

  8. I am most definitely against this. We are saturated with housing developments in Horndean/Clanfield what with Green Lane, Horndean Village and the beautiful field next door to Keydell Nurseries with that lovely Oak tree having houses shoe-horned in. We need to keep our green fields – they’re disappearing too quickly! We live in Ennerdale Close and have enjoyed the views for 20 years. Although I understand no one is ‘entitled’ to a view, it’s what made us buy our house and why we want to live in a ‘village’ and not a development.

    • Thank you for the message Stella, I firmly believe we wish to remain in a semi rural area and this field is an important part of our landscape. Hopefully we can keep it. I also agree, the field with the oak in should not have been built on, but at least the tree is being p[reserved in a green area. guy.

  9. Went to Portsmouth this weekend and suddenly realised this is what this area will be like if these houses are built I thought David Cameron said in 2012 that developments could not take place that environmentally distress the area concerned. I suggest he visits the area to see what his policy’s are doing to the countryside. Has anyone considered if the neighbourhood development plans
    published in 2011 have any relevance.
    Lets not be to soft on these money grabbing developers. Lets show them that the residents of Horndean, Catherington and Lovedean have had enough.

  10. No way we don’t need any more , just look at state of the houses that have been built and still being built in Green Lane Clanfield awful a maze you go in try and find a way out a huge mess.

    There are plenty of other places they can build on not OURS . Too many houses means not enough schools or doctors and nowhere for the children and teenagers to spend there free time There has never been any youth groups since I have lived in Clanfield that’s since 1979 , all what these planners say we will have this and that for the younger generations is all LIES.

    B… S…T all of it ……………..

  11. Guy this one is for you.
    As the owners of White Dirt Farm seem intent on selling the property why don’t EHDC purchase the farm at agricultural prices and run it as a community project to the benefit of all residents.
    The produce could be sold at beneficial prices and give people experience of farm work. This would certainly make a closer community spirit which is difficult to achieve in this day and age. it would also give employment to at least two professionals to oversea the running of the scheme. The properties value would never decrease so on paper would be an asset to the councils coffers.

    • HI Mike,

      Thank you for the message, and unfortunately it is a very commercial answer.

      9.2 hectares is just over 22 acres. Farmland is worth perhaps 7,000 to 12,000 per acre. lets say £10,000 for ease. as agricultural land this would work out at £220,000. As development land with planning permission the land value is closer to £1,000,000 per acre. taking away trees, wildlife corridors, remaining gap, lets assume 15 of the 22 acres is suitable for housing. this makes it worth perhaps £15,000,000 if sold to a developer. If East Hants were to make a compulsory purchase, it would need to be at a market rate. if the land does not get approved for planning then it would remain as farm land. i hope that makes sense!guy.

    • What a wonderful idea ! At a time when professional farmers find it almost impossible to make a profit you want EHDC to waste more taxpayers money investing in a business that they know absolutely nothing about . Which undoubtably would continue to run at loss and be a further drain to the taxpayer whilst tying up the money it cost to purchase in the first place , I would suggest if the council does have that amount of excess money available they might think of returning it to those they robbed it from in the first place . Namely the taxpayer!

  12. We have had more than our fair share in Clanfield and Horndean , including the ongoing large development at Green Lane . Are the developers providing wonderful new community facilities ? I’ve not seen any . There are other surrounding areas virtually untouched by development , let them take their turn now, there is plenty of empty land out there without crushing us all together here . if you must build these houses EHDC put them somewhere else, enough is enough .

  13. While I don’t favour this location, some of the comments here made me challenge the viewpoints – actual building of houses has been slow in Horndean, especially slow with affordable housing (slight oxymoron, in that £200,000 on a 35 year mortgage is hardly that). Speculative developments are going to come thick and fast until the new Core Strategy is approved marking out potential sites that the authority in consulation with residents have identified for future developments. This lack of building correct house types is highlighted by the fact that Horndean’s population only grew by 300ish between the 2001 and 2011 censuses – Clanfield by 117. And yet, both parishes grew their housing stock by similar amounts, yet I see no abundance of 1 bed properties.

    Under-occupation is now happening because there has been precious little turnover of families that have had their children grow up and move out, because thanks to the house price boom no-one can afford to move in leaving 2 people occupying 4 and 5 bed houses. This is also seen in the Horndean schools, who are now taking in from a much wider catchment area, and the Technology College is a far cry from the 2,200 students attending when I left in 2001.

    “No way we don’t need any more” – if we didn’t need any more, then why did I have to move from Horndean to Portsmouth 3 years ago (while still commuting to Petersfield for work) despite living in Horndean from the age of 8 (I’m now 29)? Why has almost every person I ever went to school with now left Horndean/Clanfield? Lack of affordable housing seems to play a major role. I agree that many of the housing designs have been poor – I believe some of the two beds in Green Lane have a smaller square footage than my 2 bed terrace in Portsmouth, and have been double ensuite shower rooms (hardly a starter home)! More needs to be done to put pressure on developers to meet the needs of the community, and not what nets them best profit.

    The simple fact is that Horndean and Clanfield have for the last 20 years been the tip of a commuting corridor that has not provided enough new housing to keep the younger generation of people in place and stop forcing them to the cities with expensive rents becasue they can’t afford to buy. That ultimately is why Green Lane went ahead despite local opposition, and why countless more schemes that even with the advent of Localism will go ahead. Brownfield sites are all well and good but in short supply in places like this, as is the importance of local and strategic green gaps, but settlement expansion is a natural progression that short of being a conservation area character village, will affect everywhere in the country in the next 50 years. It’s going to very much be a case of picking the least offensive location for these developments – and even then not everyone will approve.

  14. HI Mat, thank you for the email, and some very balanced views. We need to protect White Dirt Farm from development as it is a key part of our local landscape and identity as a semi rural community, but as you note correctly there has not infact been much development in Horndean in the last 15 years. between 1001 and 2011 the number of houses grew by 200, or just 20 a year. This is not enough for our growing population which is enhanced by 1) families having more than 2 children, 2) people living longer, 3) fewer people per household due to separations etc. We must however channel this housing need into the most suitable sites, and Hazleton farm for example is one good option as it is well connected to the motorway, has the opportunity to build in some good community facilities and will help areas like White Dirt Farm retain their rural identity. Hopefully we can find a route to getting the right balance. Guy.

  15. How many homes were built prior to the 15 years? Valley Park Drive, the initial Green Land lump (I thought it was ironic that people in those houses campaigned to keep Green Lane “Green”) Wasdale etc. There was a massive boom of houses in the early 80’s. The other thing that annoys me with modern developments is the shear amount of cardboard crap they wedge into a site, no thought to the amount of cars etc which just get parked on the road and clog the whole thing up. Look at the amount of homes that would have been put onto the same site even 20 years ago, half the number! Another point worth mentioning is that there are only 2 sensible routes out of the south of the village, through Horndean Village and Catherington Lane/ Downhouse with the Motorway hemming us all in. Sure we can go north to join the a3 at the Hogs Lodge but that adds what 3 miles to a journey. Southdown Road is used as a “short cut” to Clanfield by people too stupid to realise that it’s only 100m shorter than going via London Road where they can legally go 60mph. We do not have the capacity to connect South with the ways we have out of the Village, another 300-400 isn’t going to help.

  16. Build the houses and stop being such NIMBIES. Not round here people say blah blah blah.

    As someone in their mid 20’s I find the overbearing masses of middle ages people who are shocked that people would want to build houses near them appalling. where do they think the houses they all live in from the 30’s, 60’s and 80’s all came from? Did they magic into these locations? No, they were part of mass housebuilding programs so people could buy at reasonable prices 2-4x their incomes. People my age are trying to buy at 6-10x their incomes because the 50 somethings have enjoyed massive rises in their house prices. Ours will be the first generation who are actually looking to be worse off than the last. We did not get Free University, Free gold plated pensions, cheap house stock.

    The house I own was bought by the previous owners in 2000 for 100k, I bought it in 2012 for 204k! that’s over 100% increase in price in 12 years… 100%! That’s an annualised return YOY of 6%. Now lets look at real inflation – 100k from 2000 to 2012 calculates out at 132k (based on CBI). So people who bought 1 generation before are looking at massive, massive gains (3x inflation) on their houses. Crying foul I’m afraid is just not on, life goes on, we don’t have enough houses.

    The fact remains we don’t build enough houses because of just the reasons you can see in comments above. People who are far too concerned with more people, not round here they say, much too noise, what about the precious newts, I like looking at trees. Let me explain that no matter where you build, someone will object, someone will live there, someone will love that tree

    People who say the countryside is all built on, its a load of rubbish. only 9% of UK land is urban. You cannot have everything your own way I’m afraid. This is frankly the epitome of first world problems, 180-220 houses? Really? That is too many? How many people live in Horndean? 12k? 13k? your looking at adding around 3-4 people per household. Lets take 4 people as a max and 200 houses, I would say this is a reasonable case (maybe 220 top but not all will be 4 people) that’s 800 people. a 6% increase in population. Hardly unreasonable. Frankly I would rather the land be released to people to build their own houses, but that’s never going to happen.

    Stop holding up progress and let them build the homes, the scandal should be the price that these houses will be sold at due to shortsightedness of the current successive local councils. If the council bough agricultural land and then opened it up to self builders I would be far, far more in favour. Then we could get reasonable houses with diverse design; instead we get endless beige housing estates with cramped rooms and tiny gardens. Shame on the council and generation NIMBY, this is a self made problem… please solve it, or else my generation will, but you wont like the results… your view might get ruined

    • HI Joseph, thank you for the comment, and for being brave enough to be one of the very few who puts forward a counter argument. Hopefully we can find some common ground. I do believe White Dirt Farm is an important landscape and strategic gap, and must not be built on. it reminds us every time we drive through that we are a semi rural community, and most of us deliberately chose to live in one. I also fully agree that we must provide new housing for our growing population, and that we are all living longer means that we need further houses still. we are not good at providing affordable houses that people can actually afford, and this is because in areas too few homes are built (in Horndean between the 2001, 2011 census’ only 200 new homes, or 20 per year were built). We must however build these in the right place and make sure we get the right facilities with them. To me a site like Hazleton Farm is a good candidate. It is very close to a motorway junction so does not make our other village roads significantly bigger. It is on flat land so is going to result in better quality housing. It is a large enough site to take on most of our housing needs for the next 20 years and we can plan in important community facilities to go with the houses to make sure our existing surgeries, schools and facilities are not over stretched.

      If you are interested in self build, who not look at buying a bit of land and doing it? It is something I am planning on doing myself in the next 5 years and I spend a lot of time looking at possible sites.

      Guy.

    • I think you are very bold as to use the term YOUR generation. Being in exactly the same position having bought a house in 2013 for £208,000 which needs a lot of work just to buy a house we could live in in Clanfield and not to have to move out of an area we want to grow old in. I am in my mid 20’s with a young family and have a lot of family in the Horndean/ Clanfield area, regardless of AGE or situation I dont think anyone wants 220 box houses facing them! And the statement not enough houses! What a laugh! what about the estates being built in Gales Brewery in Horndean and Gales Park, and Green Lane Clanfield! How many more houses do you want Horndean to build!!!!! They will once again be ridiculous prices that no one can afford for houses no one really desires with their box like design and small rooms and lack of parking: this is what Taylor Wimpey offer I agree with you on this point!!!! Fair enough our population is growing and we need more homes but not on the white dirt farm location!!! As mentioned in other comments many years ago they tried for permission for 40 houses to be built on this same piece of land which were denied due to the environmental effects so tell me how now over 200 homes isnt going to have an environmental effect!!!

      As Guy Shepard has mentioned there is other locations to consider!
      I didn’t want to live in a town and if I had known this is what I would be over looking I may have chosen to buy elsewhere!!!!

  17. Im not middle aged and work my arse off to afford the house I now own, bought with the promise that the view I paid extra for was protected. Sure 200 odd houses isn’t many, would have been 70-100 20 years ago, but they have already rammed them into Green Lane, then they build here, then the field next door, then Sunderton Lane etc etc etc. If we don’t at least stand up and say NO, then they will keep building, not for the community but for lining their own pockets.

  18. Hello All,

    I have lived here all my life as have my parents, grandparents, great grand parents and so on. I have seen much biulding in this area and have benifited from some of it myself. Had Valley Park and Hillside Close not been built in the past, I as a local villager would not have had a home, one private and one council. I am not a NIMBIE. However, there has been much change in this area. Clanfield has taken many houses both in the past and in recent times. Forgive me if my sight has become weak, but are these new homes in Clanfield and Horndean actually selling? I have noticed full occupation of the Council Radian homes on these estates, but not many of the private expensive ones. Old Mrs Tucker’s on the London/Portsmouth Road still has houses for sale and they were built a while ago.

    The White Dirt Farm land is an exceptionally beautiful piece of property that adjoins the Lith. Deer, foxes and badgers to name but a few creatures often graze, hunt and wander across it. It was always deemed as the strategic gap to keep Catherington, Clanfield and Horndean seperate villages. It must stay so. Perhaps it can be purchased for an open space as an extension of the Lith, or as a area for pleasure like the new meadow over South Lane in Clanfield. Green Lane is a huge area that has been built on over many years. It has provided plenty of houses for this area. Now Enough is Enough. Leave our villages alone and respect those people who live in them for what the villages once were and have now become. They must Not become over developed parts of Portsmouth.

  19. I can appreciate the discussion that more sensibly priced houses for 1st time buyers is required but I get the impression that this is all about money. These developers have to make big profits. They offer money to councils/communties to compensate for the building. I don’t really see the money being re-invested. The governments/councils are hand in hand with the developers, trying to kick start the economy again. There is a saying that you have to speculate to accumulate. Are the governments/councils accumulating from the speculation? There is no financial gain for the council from a developer? There is no corruption involved? I do not want to see this site developed.

    • Hi Scott, thank you for the message. For developers it is all about money. Speculative building generates about a 20% profit for developers. For East Hants it is about putting the right housing in the right places with the right facilities. We are looking to put in 40% affordable housing to make sure that we do the best we can to provide starter homes for young families, and also to provide the right type of housing for our elderly population to down size into. With families having 2.4 children, living longer and fewer people in each home, just to keep on top of our own communities housing need we do need more homes. Hopefully we can push these to sensible locations, and White Dirt farm is not one of them.

      When you say that councils are offered money for building, you need to remember that we are all the beneficiaries of the council, and it is more a case of levying a ‘developers contribution’ on new housing. Developers will work hard to give as little as possible, and it is up to Councils to get as much as possible out of them instead so that we improve our facilities and infrastructure. this includes health, education, recreation and roads. Every new home built results in contributions of about £11,000 to be split between these funds and this is important to allow HCC, EHDC, HPC and other organisations improve facilities without raising council tax.

      The planning process is very open and this application will certainly be heard at a full council meeting in public. It is likely to be debated on for a good hour and if you have any genuine fears the process is open to corruption then why not go to a planning meeting at East Hants and sit in on one.

      Like you I do not want to see this site developed and hopefully we can stop it.

      Guy.

      • Hi Guy, so who has the final say? A developer puts forward his plans to the council and the council say yes or no. It is the council who has the last word, surely? What is the councils opinion of this situation? I only really have one question…..how do we stop the development? If we have no personal decision in this then who does?…….the council?

      • Hi Scott, When the developer submits plans the council decides. for small applications this is under ‘delegated powers’ where officers review and approve without going to a planning committee. An application this size will be commented on and a recommendation made by the case officer, then the planning committee will debate and decide. There are 15 elected councillors who sit on the planning committee, and they hear public comments, comments from the applicant, ward councillor and parish council. the meetings are held in public and you can also write in to the committee. East Hant’s formal position is that this site is gap land, important landscape and not suitable for development. This is the formal landscape assessment which was carried out by EHDC. EHDC do not have a set of plans that are detailed enough to consult on and it might be 2 to 6 months before this is the case, depending on how fast they work. I hope that helps, Guy.

  20. Can’t we all have a walk on Sunday and find Crested Newts, specific slow worms and an orchid or two that would have automatic brakes on this crazy scheme? Tongue in cheek!

  21. URGENT ACTION!

    “Taylor Wimpey will be hosting a public exhibition on FRIDAY 7th of March 2014 at the Clanfield Memorial Hall between 2pm and 7.30pm to give local people the chance to express their view and comment on their proposals for a new residential development on the land to the west of Southdown Road , Clanfield

    They are proposing to provide around 200 new homes on the land west of Southdown Road and bordered to the north and west by White Dirt Lane”

    Laughable use of the word “PROVIDE” almost like it’s some sort of charitable donation to the good of the community and not a development to enable them to make millions of pounds………….

  22. I moved away from the London area as I had had enough of all the development that was going on, watching the areas go downhill with more and more people and traffic. I had to make some sacrifices but thought it would be worth it for a better more peaceful way of life. In the 11 years I’ve been here I’ve started to see exactly the same thing happen. If people want to live in built up areas that is their choice, the same way it was my choice to get away from it all and move here. I don’t want to be forced to live in yet another busy over populated area.
    The main reason I brought the house I have was because of the views I have overlooking White Dirt Farm. I do not want to be looking at more brick boxes crammed onto yet another place that doesn’t need them. The Green Lane Development has already seen an increase in traffic flow and the area by the shops is getting more and more congested.
    Leave the area alone, there has been too much development going on. Green Lane, The Old Brewery, Keydell Nursery, enough is enough. Build the houses in the towns and cities that need them, not in the local villages.
    As for all the “We need to build Bla Bla Bla affordable Bla Bla Bla people.” More houses will only bring more people from the bigger towns and cities, bumping up the prices. You will still be in exactly the same position.
    What makes this worse is the fact they’re going to fit in as many houses in as they can with limited parking, as they’ve already with Green Lane and the Brewery. 4 bed houses with space for 1 or 2 cars!? Where are all the extra cars going to be parked?? It’s not going to be in the new development as the roads are on wide enough for one car as it is. Maybe that’s why there are only 2 people in a 4 bed house, there’s no room for any more!!

    • I agree with you on the parking. The new houses along Green Lane have a cramped slot between two houses and no drive or garden at the front. If they sell these houses, the streets will be blocked with cars trying to park.

  23. I have lived in clanfield for 2 years moving here from out the city, the reason I chose my house for me and my family was because of the views from our Windows and the surrounding areas of countryside, my son who is 11 loves looking out of his window and watching the deer play in the fields and never gets boring.
    I think the flow of traffic through the village will just be horrendous with even more people moving in, I think there is more that enough housing in clanfield/Horndean and building on what ever green area you see is a joke, think of the poor wildlife while you tear down their homes, I’m strongly against the build and will stand strong, save our green/wildlife!

  24. It’s obvious the majority of people do not want this development.
    The roads and infrastructure around here are just not suitable for any further new houses to be built.
    Can You imagine what Catherington Lane and Horndean Square will be like with so much added traffic, it’s bad enough now.
    If this was a true democratic country and this proposal was put to a vote, it would be a resounding NO

  25. If these developments are needed for ‘local people’ how is it that the developement at the end of Green lane in Clanfield is mostly full of people from the Havant borough?
    Also plans were put in over 30yrs for 40 houses on that same piece of land but were rejected due to the impact on the environment, now were talking nearly 200 houses!

    • Good points, Mrs Linkhorn. I think the reality is that although a few young people may want to stay in the area, the majority want to move away to where the jobs are, their friends are and where there is plenty of nightlife and social activities. This is what my children, and those of my friends, have tended to do. It is only when they ‘settle down’ that they may want to come back – and in many cases at that point they will have established themselves elsewhere, so not in a position to move back into the area. Therefore affordable housing is generally not taken up by local people, but by people from outside the area. To say that affordable housing is provided for the benefit of local people is misleading.

  26. My family have lived in White Dirt Lane overlooking the intended site for c25 years. It is very sad to see the relentless process of filling in gaps and open spaces, and whilst we must acknowledge the country needs more houses and including those affordable for our children, one does feel Clanfield, Horndean and for that matter the Waterlooville has taken a fair share of this burden already – and the thought of seeing the gap filled by monstrosities seen in Waterlooville makes me cringe. As already said by others the extent of wildlife in this area is significant, yet there are those that will see losing that is a small price to pay for progress – everyone is welcome to their opinions. Perhaps when they drive past the field with their family they can point out the deer grazing and tell them they may not see that much longer….. Sentimental perhaps but once green space is gone its gone forever. I expect it wont stop there either and the land across the other side of White Dirt Lane and along drift road will be the next target. I assume Wimpey have already bought the land being discussed on speculation and therefore they will not stop until they meet their goal – take the money and move on like locusts to the next site. Much has been said already that retaining gaps is important, plus the consequences of more cars will take its toll. Presume they will end up widening White Dirt in the end and taking gardens off everyone to allow for it plus the traffic in village will just get bigger and more congested. Will there be more classrooms built and extra teachers (or will classes become even bigger) will there be a larger surgery and more doctors and more parking – all of this has been said above – I doubt that very much. All in all I dont see how our existing infrastructure will cope with this and £2m will be pittance in compensation. Building elsewhere does just moves the problem but there are perhaps better sites with less implications on accessibility to main routes (mentioned above – Hazleton Farm) to consider. However if Wimpey have already bought the land then we will have a bigger challenge to defend this. I would like to believe that in a democratic society everyones views are listened to and acted upon, but it very rarely works like that of course. If it does sadly go ahead then perhaps we can have some influence over the scale and development – but not thinking like that just yet but need to keep realistic. Thanks Guy for raising the profile and awareness.

  27. I have lived in the Clanfield / Horndean area for the last 35 years and the very reason I moved here and remain here is the semi rural village location and the community spirit that prevails. I have seen many changes, some unwelcome over the years and fully appreciate we have to make way for progress and new housing. White Dirt Farm however is not a suitable location for this. People that live in this and the surrounding villages, live here for a very good reason. We choose to!!! We appreciate the countryside, the wildlife, the open spaces and the general peace and quiet this brings us. Building on precious gap land, which is rapidly diminishing, is NOT the answer. If this allowed to continue, we will have little or no countryside left for future generations to appreciate and enjoy. Its for those reasons I chose to settle here 35 years ago and give my children the benefits that go with semi rural living. The infrastructure of this area absolutely cannot support a sizeable development such as this. Its ludicrous to even consider it. Our schools are bulging at the seams, our doctors surgery cannot cope and for some inexplicable reason, Taylor Wimpey want to build on virtually the only remaining gap land left in the area. We all know that they are probably the biggest property developers in the country, renowned for being aggressive in getting what they want. Well, lets show them that we can stand up to them and unite as villagers from Horndean, Catherington and Clanfield to stop the money grabbing, greedy ”bully boys” who have absolutely no regard for the communities they seek to invade. I want to preserve this green and pleasant land I live in for future generations to enjoy, so look elsewhere for something more suitable Taylor Wimpey!!

    Just as an aside, can anyone actually tell me what a NIMBY is please? Apparently, as an over 50 I am one of these? To clarify something, I and many like me, have NOT enjoyed a massive rise in the value of my home. Its all relative. Do you think we didn’t struggle to save a deposit? Do you think we didn’t work our butts off to pay a massive mortgage? Maybe it was all just handed to us on a plate? Maybe because I live in what is regarded as an affluent area, I have money? What a crock of s**t!!
    We struggled then as my own children struggle now to save and pay a mortgage. They have bought in this area to stay in an area they love and want to bring their children up in. Affordable housing, whats that?

  28. After finally getting the money to buy a home in the clanfield area after having lived here all of my life I feel blessed to have been able to buy my first and second homes over looking the beautiful white dirt farm! The biggest selling point of selling our first home was the gorgeous countryside view!! Being in my mid 20’s with a young family we have no intention of going anywhere however being forced to over look the tasteless homes that Taylor wimpey seem to bring with them is something I do not wish to look at! We love walking to the gorgeous village overlooking the views and I cannot begin to stress how much it will damage the quality of lives for the hard working local population who have worked sooo hard to buy in this village! We have only bought our 2nd home in the last year and have had to work bloody hard to buy a 3 bedroom home in this ideal area and now to have what is called affordable housing a stone throw away is entirely gut wrenching! I already struggle getting into the doctors and that car park struggles with enough traffic how is it going to cope with the demands of another 220 families!!!!! I really hope something can be done to stop this development as I really don’t know how we are all going to cope with living here if this goes through!

  29. It’s hard enough to get a doctor’s appointment now let alone if these houses go up the schools will be over run we get loads of power cuts as it is through the development in green lane it wasn’t that long ago that the sewerage collapsed in green lane how will it be able to cope with extra housing

  30. Jacki Burke, what an excellent post. Everything is relative. We struggled to buy a house at a premium price because of Location, Location, Location. We were born in a village and accepted that when we got married we could only afford a house in Portsmouth. We worked hard and bought our way north to our ‘forever house’ with views over White Dirt Farm. We were in our 30’s and couldn’t afford wardrobes for the first two years, our clothes hung on a rail. We took it all on to live in a peaceful, close knit, rural area where the schools were small, our GP would know us and there was no industrial or retail eyesores or associated traffic to disturb our day to day lives. Our daughter is 21 and we fully expect her to follow the same route, nothing to be handed to her on a plate. She fully supports our stance. We need nationwide additional housing because no government is prepared to tackle a robust population management policy (I am NOT talking specifically about immigration) and as a consequence we are suffering locally…don’t even get me started on the consequences of the creation of the Southdowns National Park! Horndean has an alternative, viable site to meet alleged housing needs and we must stay focused on persuading planning officials that this is where the housing development should take place.

  31. Hi Guy, for some reason or other i appear to NOT be able to return a comment to our last conversation, is there any reason for this?

    • Hi Scott, once someone has been approved on the first post their subsequent posts do not need any approval. This one has posted OK, no reason why any others should not. Can you let me know what post you are replying to or just reply to this one here? Guy.

  32. Reblogged this on WrAnTz and commented:
    The planners have allowed the countryside around Waterlooville to be trashed. Now the developers have their beady eyes set on Horndean. This has to be stopped.

  33. Hi Guy.

    I have lived in Horndean for over 20 years and they have tried to build on this site several times.its now your turn to step up to plate and stop this development!!!!!!

    Listen to your Voters.

  34. We bought a new Wimpey Home in Guildford some years ago. The quailty was poor, exterior walls were 50mm out of vertical, four houses had to be demoloshed because the foundations failed, the site now looks more like a car park rather than an area fit for people to live in. Now we have this organisation creating further PR plans to enhance our area. The Green Lane Development was cited to be a site similar to that opposite Churchers College Petersfield ( By EHDC Representatives). Yes that is what it is – a ghetto. It’s about time Petersfield with its major rail and road links took the brunt of development in this area – they seem to understand NIMBY means, to the detriment of the surrounding area.

  35. Very interesting to read through this blog with a lot of well thought out comments and clearly an overwhelming feeling of negativity with I think a lot of very justifiable reasons. But also a touch of balance with one or two with positive feelings towards this proposal, so I wanted to try and be balanced about my comment – however difficult it is.
    I see this as a number of questions.
    1. Do we need yet more housing in the area – I know we are told we do – but why, there are so many new estates having sprung up recently, do we really need another one here?
    2. Is this the right area for a new build? The overwhelming consensus seems to be no, it isn’t. I won’t retrace all the reasons – they have already been given.
    3. Would this bring improvements to the area infrastructure – well I presume the local businesses would be pleased but how can the existing (rather pot holed) roads and services cope with all the extra traffic and cars through the villages and back roads – especially White Dirt Lane and the main small road through Horndean – it will be chaos and probably dangerous. Not to mention schools, Doctor’s, Dentists, Recreation areas, etc etc.
    4. Will it spoil the rather lovely area here with this extra development? I guess after a while you would get used to seeing houses instead of open fields from your windows (Yes it does slightly affect our view in Wasdale) but there are the wild creatures to consider and the general rural feel to an area that has a bit of open space – doubtless the houses would be crammed in and it won’t look ‘pretty’
    5. Are there better places to build – well I’m not one who knows this but when the Councillor believes there are then I would look to the experts and agree!
    6. Would building 200 new homes actually help our youngsters buy houses in the area – well in my opinion no, new houses are notoriously expensive – all this does i put huge pressure on the small amount of really affordable homes (old ones I mean) that our youngsters could afford in the area.
    7. One I can’t answer myself! Is there any guarantees that the cheaper houses will not be sold to rental companies to rent for Social housing – or is that acceptable?

    I’ve tried to write this in a balanced way but to be perfectly honest I personally would love it if this development doesn’t happen – very very few people want it here – even a totally balanced view would surely sway to the no vote. I really hope it doesn’t, this specific area is a lovely place to live and the White Dirt Farm field just adds to that beauty – with a new development of housing it would of course detract from that.

    I don’t blame the owners of the land for wanting to sell the land and make their fortune – who can blame them – I just wish there was a way to let them sell it without the building of housing – but I can’t see how the normal every day working people who live round here could compete with the sort of money the big building firms can supply.

    We could rename the area to ‘Hope’ then we can all live in Hope….

  36. I trust Taylor Wimpey paid Horndean Parish Council a fair and reasonable sum, in addition to the hire of Clanfield Memorial Hall on 07 March 2014, for the free advice they received from all who attended and made their dissatisfaction with the proposal known: it will obviously greatly assist them in couching the terms of their planning application to overcome as many of the negatives as possible.

    The proposal says permission will be sought for approximately 200 dwellings, and the Taylor Wimpey representative was overheard to say it may be as many as 240 dwellings. Parking spaces, driveways and garaging are being planned on a pro-rata basis depending upon the number of bedrooms in each dwelling. Housebuyers rarely limit the number of cars they own by the number of bedrooms in their property! If the future purchasers and tenants of this proposed development did limit the number of additional cars they would introduce to the area it might be around 500 – 600, if they do not it could be as high as 600 – 800.

    The proposed development is in both the Catherington Infant School catchment; a tiny school which is already oversubscribed, and the Horndean Infant and Junior Schools, also the Horndean Technology College, all to the south. The nearest GP surgery is at Drift Road which I understand has all Lists full and delays of up to a month for non-urgent appointments is already being experienced. The Horndean Surgery premises are being outgrown by the practice and alternative premises have been under investigation/negotiation since before the Gales Brewery site commenced development.

    I have not seen any proposals by Taylor Wimpey for providing community benefits such as a Community Hall, or offering facilities for a much-needed Dentist, or new GP Surgery. The Taylor Wimpey representative deflected all criticisms against the proposal based upon lack of existing infrastructure to support such a large influx of people and vehicles to the immediate area as being something that would need to be addressed by the County Council – presumably out of the suggested £10,000 per house which they will pay however there is no guarantee that Horndean will benefit from any of this money. Based upon recent experience of the developments of the Gales Brewery and Green Lane sites there is little evidence of Hampshire County Council being prepared to spend money on this area.

    It is not immediately obvious from the displayed map at the Consultation, but there is a single vehicular access to the proposed development from Southdown Road which must mean it is also the only exit. When questioned about the likely routes the residents would take from the proposed development the Taylor Wimpey representative said that they used computer models to judge where the traffic would flow but he didn’t say whether this had yet been implemented.

    There are few employment opportunities in the local area and most new residents will have secured employment in Waterloville, Havant, Portsmouth all to the south, and Petersfield, Liss and perhaps as far afield as London ( a commute now made possible by the Hindhead Tunnel) to the north. Most traffic out of the proposed development will need to exit via Horndean village which is already a bottleneck. Adding a greater number of people and cars into the equation will not improve or prevent this.

    Traffic heading for Catherington and Horndean schools are likely to exit turning left and the left again along White Dirt Lane which is virtually a single track road with passing places; certainly not capable of taking the current traffic level of 1500 cars per day as reported by one White Dirt Lane resident at the Consultation. It is unlikely residents of the proposed development will be easily persuaded to drive the 5 mile alternative journey via Downwood Way, London Road, through the already heavy peak-time traffic in Horndean village centre (not helped by the construction traffic which seems to consider the stretch of London Road between it’s two sites as part of it’s campus – but that’s another story) unless they have to.

    There is no immediate access to the A3M southbound, unless driving south through the village of Horndean to join at Hazelton Interchange, or by heading north along Green Lane, Sunderton Lane or New Road to Chalton Lane and join at that junction. Traffic wishing to join the A3 northbound may exit right from the proposed development and travel along Downwood Way, however they may equally drive via Francis Road, North Road and St. Michael’s Way to London Road then to join at the mini roundabout.

    White Dirt Lane from the roundabout at Drift Road to Southdown Road via Tarn Rise leading to Downwood Road, and Drift Road leading to London Road travelling south along London Road are bus routes therefore limiting vehicular speed by installing speed bumps is not possible. The implementation of ‘inset’ white lines as a means of reducing carriageway width and therefore reducing traffic speed in the area has done little more than to encourage parking half on the pavement and half on the road causing an obstruction. Some local drivers fail to wait to give way to oncoming vehicles when the obstruction is on their side of the carriageway, choosing rather to run the oncoming traffic off the road. More a case of traffic enragement than traffic calming!

    Francis Road, North Road, St. Michael’s Way, South Road and London Road have suffered badly through two bad winters causing pot holes and decreased road maintenance is not keeping up with the increasing wear and tear caused by power steering as it becomes the norm in modern vehicles. Work to repair these potholes has been slow and of poor quality showing signs of breaking down only days after the work has been down. Flooding at the dip in Downwood Way on the approach to the mini roundabout has been an almost permanent feature during this rainy season as is the area just south of the exit from the A3 on to the London Road. These bottlenecks will not be resolved by increasing the local population and its vehicles.

    The blurring of village boundaries is already an acknowledged issue and the proposed development site is, whilst being used as agricultural farmland, a de facto ‘gap’ between the villages of Catherington, Horndean and Clanfield. The boundary between Horndean and Clanfield is just North of the junction of White Dirt Lane as it merges with Southdown Road and continues towards the roundabout at Drift Road.

    Taylor Wimpey’s published proposals indicate a marked up map which labels the area around Downwood Way, Tarn Rise, North Road, St. Hubert’s Road etc as “Clanfield” when the area is actually “Horndean”. This clear disregard of the existing village boundaries bodes badly for the ‘sympathetic’ manner Taylor Wimpey plans to deliver the development.

    Many residents have moved to this area to enjoy the semi-rural amenities on offer and take great pleasure in seeing agricultural land in all its seasons: freshly ploughed soil through to lush green crop to gold ready to harvest. Whilst homes, and affordable ones at that, are very much needed in all areas, this proposed development is simply in the wrong place. There are other, far more appropriate sites with close access to the Motorway north and southbound – Pyle Farm or Hazelton Farm for example.

  37. Some excellent posts on here. I spent some time wandering around the Green Lane estate this afternoon and took a look in one of the showhomes, we counted views of 18 gardens from the window of one of the bedrooms and just a tiny glimpse of the hill behind it. I’m sick and tired of new builds on green fields penning people in like caged hens with not enough thought to the infrastructure, current residents, environmental issues….the list goes on. I understand we need additional housing but as many other posters have stated, not all in our area(s). We’ve moved to the local area from the very busy Portsmouth after working very hard as I wanted a quieter location but that’s getting spoilt now. Some people (not necessarily on this site) feel that they have a ‘right’ to additional and/or affordable housing in these semi-rural areas but if you can’t afford to live somewhere, that’s tough I’m afraid.

    To demonstrate that point I would love to live in the Midhurst/Petworth area but guess what? I can’t because it’s too expensive for my budget, the same with Rowlands Castle closer to home and that’s something I just accept. A search engine for a 5 mile radius from Midhurst in my budget results in 9 detached houses for sale. Put Waterlooville in and you get 359 houses! That said, if new housing wasn’t all crammed in our areas and was spread out a bit to include other areas that have loads of space then that would at least feel a bit fairer. Unfortunately that won’t happen as the Southdowns National Park won’t get built on much to the relief of its lucky residents. Meanwhile, we are in danger of becoming ‘Solent City.’ No field is 100% safe in reality, let’s hope in years to come we don’t have to rename Clanfield to Clan because nearly every field has been built on.

    I’m fiercely against the proposals for White Dirt Lane and I live in Cowplain so I’m not even directly affected but I love Clanfield and happy to give my support to local residents in opposing any further development.

    On a final note, Taylor Wimpey have got to be one of the worst house builders for quality and customer care standards (particularly after sales care) – just look at the mess they’ve made of Wellington Park in Waterlooville.

  38. We bought our 300, 000 pound property in the Southdown Road just 18 months ago. We had a full search done and were told that there were no plans to build on White dirt, indeed it would never be built on. That clinched the deal for us . It is, at the moment, quite a unique position to live. If they build as they want to the value of our homes will reduce. Taylor Wimpey should not even be considering building on such a beautiful area when there are spaces such as Hazleton farm which is much more suited to their plans. If this awful destruction goes ahead will they compensate all the home owners along and around the Southdown Road? I doubt it. Just keep fighting for us all Guy. You have the support of virtualy every one in Catherington, Horndean and Catherington.
    Best of luck
    Rosemary.

  39. Good afternoon Guy/All,

    Let’s all be honest with each other, this is all about money, planning discussions will be driven by money and unfortunately, district/parish councils will be influenced by money. Guy has already intimated this as one of his opening statements, with the fact that the Developer’s Contributions to councils for gaining planning consent will equate to £2 million.

    It raises my first question – how much sway will the local residents have over Horndean/Clanfield Parish councils and EHDC on how best to invest that sum back in to the community, should the developers gain planning consent, or will most of the “windfall” simply be absorbed within all three council budgets to off-set budgetry reductions?

    A £2 million developer’s contribution to the local community is “small beer” to what the devlopers and the present owners of WDF will reap if/once approval to develop is granted. Using the conservative figure of 200 properties (there is nothing to prevent a re-submission to amend this figure and squeeze increased value, once approval has been provided!), the developers have stated they will meet legislative requirements and provide 40% as “affordable” housing. The problem is, as has been raised by an earlier blogger, affordable and housing are an oxymoron when it comes to purchasing property in the Clanfield area. This statement can be supported by the present pricing structure for the Green Lane and Horndean brewey developments.
    Crazy prices, but that’s what occurs when proerties are located on the edge of the South Downs National Park and the A3 tunnel improvements dictate a 50 minute drive in to London – where house prices are 6x local valuations, and do not have views the likes of which the WDF fields provide!

    80 affordable houses, at new-build price, will at the very least commence at £200k, the other 120 houses will be a mix of 3, 4, 5 and even 6 bedroom properties, which at present market prices will sell for bottom end +£275k to top end +£600k – just look at the prices the shoe-boxes are selling at on Green Lane! This will give an average revenue of at least £65 million and any good commercial business should be looking for a 20-30% margin – between £13-20 million – which is more than enough return to satisfy the effort needed by the developers to win the battle!

    Don’t be misled by my comments, I am NOT in any way supporting development on this site; I agree with Guy’s comment that there are probably better placed alternatives that could be offered up to allow TW to move their eyes away from the WDF site. But, there is nothing to prevent them from developing any alternative and then returning back to the spoils of WDF, especially if house market prices in the Horndean/Catherington/Clanfield areas keep on advancing at present and future-predicted rates (7-10% year-on-year for 2014-2016).

    TW have stated on their website page for this development that:
    The council’s emerging strategy seeks to provide for 700 new homes in the Horndean area and 200 new homes in the Clanfield area. This strategy has yet to be finalised and an independent Planning Inspector may increase the level of housing further. In June 2013, the council published a review of potential sites that might accommodate the new housing within its Strategic Housing Land Availability Assessment (SHLAA), and this identifies the site as an ‘included’ option to provide around 200 new dwellings.
    The last 15 words are the damning statement, which has provided them with the opportunity to push for this development and if it’s not this developer then there is a very high probability that it will be another. No large building corporation wants the bother of developing small patches of brown field to meet the identified needs for 700/200 houses, the returns are not great enough, nor is the marketing prestige, these areas are left to the small to medium enterprises – like Lindon Homes, who have just overturned EHDC planning refusal for the Drift Road development.

    If the local residents are to win the day and prevent this development then they will need to ensure their opinions are voiced loudly, with sound reason and with the full support of all councils involved.
    In the first instance, go to the developers webpage, click on the “Have Your Say” button, and do just that!
    Webpage link: https://www.taylorwimpey.co.uk/proposed-developments/england/hampshire/clanfield/clanfield

    Of course, if we are all deadly serious about preventing WDF from becoming a blot on the landscape then there is a potential solution, which would remove any chance of this or future development – the parish council and the community residents could raise the necessary funds, submit an offer to purchase the identified farm land and retain the whole area as a covenant. Just a thought……..

    • Hi Anthony, Thank you for the posting and I hope this answers some of the points you put.

      First off ‘It’s about Money’. The Developers contributions are the same wherever the houses are built, and the first priority of Councillors and East Hants is to try to make sure houses get built in the right places. White dirt farm is not one of these. hopefully you have read enough on this blog to give you comfort on this.

      The second thing about the money is that it is not the Parish, District or County’s money. These organisations are not businesses, and the money that comes in from development is our money. People like myself work hard to try to ensure that when development does happen the contributions are spent on something worth while. please see the blog on the WDF consultation that describes the Section 106 agreement for Green Lane. None of the facilities or money that changes hands benefits the councils, but will provide facilities for the community. it is up to us to work together to try to get this housing in the right (least harmful) place, and the right facilities with it.

      Final item about the money, East Hants tried to put forward a local plan which had only 6,000 new homes across the district, and this was rejected by the planning inspector who directed us to carry out studies to show a greater quantity was required. Our villages are unique settlements and we want to work to retain their boundaries and character.

      The next question is ‘How Much Sway will the community get to steer how this money is spent in the community?’

      Firstly the Green Lane facilities were very much steered by the Parish Council and residents of Clanfield.

      Secondly please also see the posting on this blog advertising the ‘Horndean Housing Consultation’ posted about a week ago. The article explains that one key part for us is to invite people to tell us what facilities we require in the community. There are also organisations like HIND – Horndean In The Next Decade – who have produced the parish plan which covers a lot of the views on how the parish should develop and the types of facility that are wanted. this is all based on questionnaires and surveys from the residents of Horndean. There is no ‘Windfall’ to be absorbed into any budget and all of the money is spent locally. Again, please look at the section 106 money generated from Green Lane which is covered in an earlier posting.

      Affordable Housing is difficult. We do need to do what we can to give our children a chance to get on the property ladder. For me, my first home was in Warren Park and it was what I could afford at the time. Horndean is my second home. If we do not build enough homes for our own needs then property prices will just rise further (supply and demand) so there is a problem here. on one hand we want fewer new homes in our communities, but on the other we are concerned about the price of a first home. this is an impasse… we can only try to address this by ensuring we build the right homes in the right places with the right facilities.

      I do agree strongly with your assessment of the financial return for Taylor Wimpey, and for them building on White Dirt Farm would give a very good location which would be easy to sell to new buyers. but, this would permanently damage our landscape views, and it is important that we make good use of the housing consultation this weekend at Merchistoun Hall to give our views on where we build, and where we do not. this will help to protect White Dirt Farm for as long as we can. One day the battle on this land probably will be lost, but if we can work to protect it for the next 15 years and then hopefully our successors will also be able to do the same.

      The SHLAA Site process gives no weight at planning. A land owner can apply for land that has not been put forward, and it is only a register of privately owned land that land owners are willing to sell for development. While it is on the map, it is NOT an ALLOCATED site which would mean it is planned for development. it is also a STRATEGIC GAP and an important LANDSCAPE is the community. These are East Hants’ own views on the land and hopefully will be the basis of very key reasons to reject development.

      The final one is about raising the funds to buy the land which is an excellent idea and one that has been seriously thought about. It would need an organisation like the Parish to do this though. If the land can achieve planning permission then development land has a value of approximately £1,000,000 per acre. say 15 acres of this field can be built on then the £15,000,000 divided by the 5,000 households of Horndean would be £3,000 for every home. If the land is just farm land then its value is £12,000 per acre. there are 22 acres so this would be about £264,000 and only £25 per house. very affordable, but would residents at the other end of the Parish support this? Equally, the parish would end up having to apply the same approach to perhaps 10 other sites across the area, but it is do-able in principal, with one obstacle which you have already identified which is the long term future. The landowners if unsuccessful now are most likely to sit on the land for 20 or 30 years until maybe one day the field worth £250,000 can sell for £15,000,000 or more.

      After we have won our confident victory against these plans, I am planning on writing to the land owners to explore this possibility regardless and we will see if I get a reply…

      I hope this answers some of the worries you raise in the post.

      In the meantime, the best way to protect our community and ensure we 1) protect the areas we least want developed and 2) identify the facilities we want is to go to this Friday’s and Saturday’s consultation at Merchistoun Hall to give your view.

      Best wishes,

      Guy.

  40. What ‘community facilities’ are wimpy proposing to provide on WDF? Do Clanfield FC get their own teams pitch, like on the new green lane site?

    • Hi Keith, on a serious note we need to be fighting this off and hopefully will, but let’s say somewhere there was a development the community could live with. A good quality consultation would result in a presentation to the parish council to see if there was a local plan where community needs were identified. Other sources of information would be community groups like Horndeans Parish Plan which is a published document. The most important would be from the residents in the community so where there is pain of development, there is also gain.

      I think TWs very ‘bullish’ (no typo) consultation suggesting it was unstoppable has annoyed everyone and I suspect there was little feedback on what might be required.

      If you have any thoughts on what we need in our community funded by development then please visit our Horndean Housing Consultation at Merchistoun Hall fri and sat 21, 22 March 2014. Please see earlier post for info.

      Best wishes,

      Guy.

      • Cllr Shepherd, thank you for your reply. You haven’t answered my question. The Green lane site is loosing a green area, for a monstrosity of a community site, which appears to to be to aimed at Clanfield FC. Not the Community. After reading many planning applications for the green lane site, why is WDF immune from the heavy community facilities that green lane has seen? EHDC have gotten this very wrong.

      • Sorry Keith,

        Taylor Wimpey have not proposed any community facilities. The consultation they have held is to seek the publics view on what community facilities are wanted. Based on feedback from this they will try to put forward the least costly ‘community facilities’. This should be seen in their developed plans.

        I am not sure what EHDC have handled badly as there is no planning application in to consider, no plan to show the number of homes and consultation held to date was very scant with information. For EHDC to give a view on TWs plans they need to put in a lot more detail.

        In the very near future there will be Pre Application meetings between EHDC and TW. The community facilities will come up, but there needs to be public consultation to get feedback on what is wanted.

        The Green Lane facilities were the community view based on consultation and input from parish, district councillors.

        I do not see that more football pitches in the immediate area will be useful, not should they be on a slope like White Dirt Farm.

        I hope that answers the question.

        Best wishes,

        Guy.

      • Yes, the Parish Council really seem to be in the back pocket of Clanfield FC. It’s incredible that they plan to stick a football pitch on the side of a windy hill when they already have a huge facility up at Peel Park, with room to add a mini pitch, and they wouldn’t even need to level it.

  41. I concur with previous statements and believe the clever ploy of two different plan layouts is meant to distract from the main issue if they should be built or not, they should not be allowed to be built as it will close the only green and open area leaving a Gap between the areas is the sensible decision especially with the wild life, deer etc . Taylor/ Wimpey as many will know have erected housing on Hambledon Road Waterlooville and is known by the neibours as CELL BLOCK “H” as they look like a prison. The area being on a slope would mean people like myself would be overlooking the roofs of the properties from Francis Road area, i know you will say we are not entitled to a view but would the planning committee accept it ???

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